"Everybody Loves Hugo" (mirroring the season 2 episode entitled "Everybody Hates Hugo" was a very solid Hugo "Hurley" Reyes outing. With Desmond, now "in the know" on things, the Sideways story is getting more interesting by the episode. We keep exploring the LOVE Connections of our former Island dwellers who are in this timeline that seems "Off". Hurley has a run-in with a love interest of his in a former life and they go down the rabbit hole together to relive a little bit of their other existence. On the Island, Hugo gets another ghostly visit and is put in direct conflict with Ilana and Richard's plans to blow up the Ajira plane. Flocke is intrigued by Desmond's arrival with Sayid to the group and we have some interesting moments there. Sawyer and Kate are getting impatient on when they're actually going to DO something. And of course, the biggest shocker of the night was saved for the end with a non-Hugo sideways moment that will surely get people buzzing! All of these events are building towards an awesome climactic conclusion where who knows what the outcome will be? I'm getting more and more psyched with each episode. Let's dive into the recap!
Flash Sideways - Hugo Reyes
Golden State Natural History Museum
Now, I know Hugo doesn't go by Hurley in the Sideways realm, but I'm still going to call him Hurley anyway! This "Hugo" stuff is for the birds! Anyway, so we open up to a black screen with a very familiar voice talking about how Everybody Loves Hugo! I think we all knew whose voice that belonged to!
- It's none other than Pierre Chang! As we found out in prior episodes this season, Miles said that his father works at a museum with Charlotte. And of course we found out last week that Daniel Faraday ran into Charlotte at this very museum. Now we have another crossover by seeing Pierre Chang actually honor Hurley with a "Man of the Year" award and dedicate the new Paleontology wing of the museum to one of the city's greatest benefactors: Mr. Hugo Reyes.
- Also by using a slideshow, we get a little backstory on Sideways Hurley. Although, they don't talk about how Hurley comes up with a large sum of money. Do we assume he won the lottery in this timeline also? Does it not matter? They just talk about his lifelong love for chicken allowing him to acquire the Mr. Cluck's franchise, making it a world wide competitor, and then also getting into humanitarian stuff. He clearly has lots of money to throw around, so I'm not sure why they wouldn't bring it up. If he was never in the institution he never would have met Leonard to get the numbers. And of course, it looked like even Leonard wasn't in Santa Rosa either when we go there later.
Update: Thanks to Commenter Jackson for refreshing my memory that Hurley tells Sawyer in episode LA X that he won the lottery. Whew, can't believe I forgot that one. Maybe he didn't play the numbers though?
- Not sure if it's worth noting that we see Hurley opening Mr. Cluck's chains all over the world including Egypt, which we know has strong ties with the Island as well as Hugo painting a picture of the Sphinx when he was at Santa Rosa. And of course, another picture with a Volcano. Not sure which Volcano it is or what Asian country it is (feel free to comment and let me know!) but we do know that there is a volcano on the Island as well. So, little intentional or unintentional shout outs there.
UPDATE: Thanks for the many emails and comments letting me know this was Mt. Fuji. I probably should have known that one!
- Chang refers to Hugo as a "Beacon of Light" for everyone he comes into contact with. This could be a subtle allusion to the Lighthouse or just add onto things we have already seen with how helpful and friendly this version of Hugo is with all of the Losties he comes into contact with. Granted, Hugo is always friendly!
- Note in Chang's list of things that Hugo has done, it included donating to open hospitals. Hmm, maybe the hospital where Jack works? Since it seems everyone is heading that way anyway, maybe Hugo will be meeting up with everyone there too. (And, yes, we cannot forget the Police Station either as there are many gathering there as well)
- We also saw a picture of Hugo supposedly standing in front of the Box Company that he owned in both timelines (where Locke works and Randy is his boss)
- Anyway, it appears that everyone thinks Hurley is the greatest thing ever, except his concerned mother. All she wants is for Hugo to find a nice woman. Again, with the theme of most of these sideways LOSTIES being unable to find love (exceptions: Locke, maybe Sun/Jin). And leave it to Mrs. Reyes to set her son up with some chica named Rosalita!
- We must also note that Hurley's Mom mentions that Rosalita is Grandpa Tito's neighbor's daughter. If you recall way back in season 1's "NUMBERS" episode, Grandpa Tito died of a heart attack right after Hurley was interviewed for winning the lottery with those dreaded numbers! Looks like he is alive and well in this timeline.
Hurley's Date at Spanish Johnny's
We join Hurley at what looks to be a Mexican restaurant with an interesting name. He is waiting for Rosalita who appears to be a no show.
We join Hurley at what looks to be a Mexican restaurant with an interesting name. He is waiting for Rosalita who appears to be a no show.
- That is totally okay because guess who DOES show up? Yep, LIBBY! And this isn't just your ordinary sideways Libby. This is a Libby who has seen the light. She has drank from the Charlie Pace/Daniel Faraday-Widmore Kool-Aid and believes in true love. She also believes that she has seen Hurley in another life.
- Poor Hugo, his first reaction was thinking it was Rosalita and saying he didn't expect that he could be set up with someone so pretty. He claims later to not be great with the ladies.
- Libby thinks Hurley will think she's crazy if she told him why she was there. She asks Hurley if he believes 2 people can be connected, like soul mates. Hurley just nods saying "I guess" at the pretty lady saying she that he is her soul mate and goes with the flow.
- Libby is upset that Hurley doesn't "remember him". Here's a question for you, do we think it's strange that the characters that are deceased in the Island timeline are identifying with the Island timeline quicker than everyone else? (Charlie, Daniel and now Libby) Granted, I don't know what that says for Eloise, but there's still tons to speculate about with her!
- Before Libby can explain any further, guess who shows up? Dr. Brooks from Santa Rosa Mental Institution! If you recall in the season 2 episode "DAVE" Dr. Brooks was Hurley's psychiatrist. She has come to take Libby away say that she just wandered off.
- Before Libby is taken away she tells Hurley that she meant everything she said and looks very serious. Hurley follows them out and sees the Santa Rosa van.
- Now, we're going to get into future scenes where we can try and see if we got an answer to why Libby was in the institution on the Island timeline. I'm not sure we will be able to 100% deduce the reasoning just yet though.
Mr. Cluck's
Depressed/Confused Hurley goes to one of his franchise restaurants and orders a Family Size bucket of chicken. He will have a "chance" meeting with a fellow Sideways Flight 815er. But before then we must meet the Mr. Cluck's employee operating the register!
- Why it's Samm Levine of course! I know he has been in tons of stuff, but his "street cred" started when he was on Freaks and Geeks (which shamefully, I have never seen). I guess he is probably a big LOST fan and was able to sneak into a little cameo!
- We hear the order numbers being called off starting at 38 and going up to 41. And what do you know Desmond just happens to be in the Mr. Cluck's as well! He asks Hugo if he knows him from somewhere and then says they were both on Flight 815 (if you recall last week, Hurley told Desmond at which baggage claim their luggage was going to be). Hurley is not really in the mood to talk but Desmond asks just to sit with him until his number is called.
- Hurley says that he eats when he is depressed. And Desmond asks "what's her name" immediately diving right into why he is there. Hurley goes on a rant about how he met a great girl who was crazy. Once Desmond mentions that all women are a little crazy (Hey he said it, not me!), Hurley had to specify that he meant she was full on nuts and in a looney bin. And then what made it even stranger is that she claimed that they already knew each other. And HE would certainly remember.
- This triggers Desmond and what happened to him recently with his Charlie and Penny encounters. He asked Hurley if he believed her when she said that she knew him. Hurley said that he kinda did. Des tells Hurley to go with his gut on this one. And that he should try to find out where she thinks she knew him from.
- And of course with that bit of knowledge dropped on Hurley, Desmond's number 42 was called. (so saw that coming a mile away and loved every minute of it!) Desmond leaves after he says it was "Nice bumping into you". Ironic that he chose those words especially with what happens later on in the episode. But clearly this was not a chance meeting. Desmond is on a mission to "SHOW" all of the Oceanic 815ers their other existence. To what end? Well, that we're not sure yet.
Santa Rosa Mental Institution
We open up at Santa Rosa on a very familiar, if not the same, picture of an Island in Dr. Brooks' Office. Hugo came to talk to Libby.
- Dr. Brooks doesn't really think this is a good idea. He made a mistake in bringing Libby out for a "Fajita Field Trip" (nice one Hurley!) thinking she would be okay. But he says that Libby has issues with Reality. Hmmm, we'll discuss in a bit.
- Hurley ends up paying off Brooks with a $100,000 donation for the Rec Room so that he can go talk to Libby. Good times!
- We head into the said Rec Room and see a different man playing Connect 4. In other words, like I said before, not Leonard! So we still have numbers being thrown all over the place in this Sideways realm, but we don't have Leonard spouting off the numbers at Santa Rosa? That's what makes me think Hurley didn't win the lottery. At least he didn't win it the same way if he did win. But whatever, if we find out we find out! We also see Hurley scanning around the room. There is a chalkboard with another picture of an Island on it.
- The only thing I have seen close to a "reflection" in this episode is a quick glimpse past the TV in the Rec Room. Not sure if this counts or not!
- Then Libby arrives, and is very happy to see Hurley. She thinks he remembered their past life. But he hasn't, he just wants more information on where she thinks she knows him.
- Libby then goes into it. She saw Hugo on one of his Mr. Cluck's commercials and then it hit her. It was like all of these memories of her life came washing back. Only, it was of ANOTHER life. She remembers a plane crash (hmm was she on Flight 815 this time around? We never found out). She remembers being on an island and she thinks Hurley was there too. She said that they knew each other and they liked each other. She said that when she got to Santa Rosa that she felt like she had been THERE before too and that Hurley was there with her as well.
- Hurley says he has never been in a mental hospital before which she knows. But she had to go and talk to him because if he remembered her, then ....who knows!?!
- Okay, let's pause for a second. So we don't get an official answer to why Libby was at Santa Rosa in the Island timeline. But we do know she looked a little more crazy then. We know that she had a husband named David (hmmmm imaginary DAVE? will we ever know?) that died. And that Libby gave David's sailboat to Desmond. But why was she in that institution? Was she obsessed over Hurley in BOTH timelines? Was she having REALITY issues in the Island timeline too? Having memories of the sideways timeline? That doesn't make sense if Jughead truly caused this sideways timeline. Will we ever get this answer? This episode seemed to be the best possible chance of getting it and we skirted around the issue once again. Maybe Libby will return for a future episode, but I'm not sure the Cynthia Watros signed on for more than one spot! It would be nice if she did.
- Hurley still doesn't remember and Libby acknowledges that she's crazy. Hurley is nice to her though saying that it takes a lot of guts to go up to a stranger and say that she knows him from some Bizarro/Alternate Universe (nice, I happened to use all 3 of those words in the Season premiere blog until I read that Darlton informed us that they do not like the worlds "ALTERNATE" or "Bizarro" because that suggests it is not real.)
- Hurley mentions his fear of even talking to women. Libby smiles and tells him he's doing just fine. And then Hurley finds the courage to ask Libby on a date. And well, the water was starting to fill in my eyes because if you add in all of the Island talk about Hurley never getting to take Libby on that first date, and then we see that he's going to in Sideways land? Well, if you don't get a little choked up, you have no soul like Sayid! (I know, harsh, but true!)
- It turns out that Libby is voluntarily in the mental institution so she can leave whenever she wants! Interesting, was she voluntarily there in Island time when she was absolutely psycho looking and obsessively staring at Hurley? Probably not, but I still want to know!
The DATE
Could the date have been any more perfect? A beach picnic just like Hurley had planned for him and libby before Michael had to go and shoot her? Awesome!
- While Hurley is ranting about cheese, Libby just senses that everything is "OFF". Being there feels so familiar, like a date they never had. Crazy, which is exactly what Libby says Hurley must think of her. She asks why he even wants to be with her and Hurley asks the same question to her. And poor Hurley goes into the whole "Come on, look at me" thing. Libby says that she likes him. (awww so PG!) Hurley then says that she likes him because she's delusional (ahh good times).
- Before he can say anything else though, Libby plants a big kiss on the rotund guy! And that is when the fireworks happen! Hurley starts to remember things from the Island! Libby realizes she's not crazy and they all live happily ever after! Well, that may be going a little too far, right?
- And, we also get a shot of Desmond watching from afar as Hurley and Libby make their connection. Who is next on the list? We'll see shortly. I don't even know if we got anything more to speculate on here. All we know is that our Sideways Losties are slowly realizing their former lives. Will they get FULL knowledge at some point? Do 2 timelines merge into one in the end? Will the Island LOSTies become aware of their sideways selves? One would think so, right? And if we see Charlie, Hurley, Daniel and other couples divided by death having a happily ever after ending in sideways land, are we really going to root for the Island timeline to win out? Definitely, an interesting question. And it's all of the same questions we have had since the beginning of the season, but at least we're seeing this play out now. Everything is coming together!
- One more note on reflections in the episode, the only other thing I could possibly consider a reflection would be Hurley's "Man of the Year" trophy which was see through and lots of light reflected off of it. But we never saw Hurley's face in it. Also, Desmond was wearing those sunglasses the whole episode and they were showing reflections but never clearly anyone's face. Did they just abandon the theme for this episode?
Team Flocke
Sawyer/Kate/Flocke
As mentioned before, Sawyer and Kate ate getting antsy in Camp Flocke. They're also not thrilled that Jin is over with Widmore and they're doing nothing about it. Some interesting moments here to bring up including another classic Sawyer line.
As mentioned before, Sawyer and Kate ate getting antsy in Camp Flocke. They're also not thrilled that Jin is over with Widmore and they're doing nothing about it. Some interesting moments here to bring up including another classic Sawyer line.
- We see Flocke whittling a big stick and Sawyer comes up asking if it's going to be a spear. Flocke says he doesn't know what it's going to be yet but when the time is right it will tell him. Sawyer says "You talk to wood now?" Love it!
- So Sawyer goes on his rant about Jin and hating sitting around. Flocke says that they're waiting for something. Kate asks what for. Flocke explains that they were all only able to come back to the island because they did it together. If they want to get on a plane and leave, it has to happen the same way. So they're waiting for Hugo, Sun and Jack to show up. As crazy as this dude is, that actually makes a lot of sense! Now, if he's telling the truth, that's another matter all together. After all, we did see him tell Jacob that if he kills Jacob then he would kill any potential replacement of his too.
- Anyway, Kate doesn't see it happening that Hurley, Jack and Sun will just roll up into their camp. Flocke says "let's just hope you're wrong" and that's a WRAP on this scene! I didn't really see it happening either, but you know, things happen and crazy ghosts appear to Hugo and seem to convince him to move in that direction. Oh by the way, Flocke gives his evil face again and it's as creepy as always.
Sayid and Flocke go to see "The Package"
Dead-inside Sayid rolls back into the camp and asks to speak to Flocke in private. They head out into the jungle and Flocke asks him for a situation report.
Dead-inside Sayid rolls back into the camp and asks to speak to Flocke in private. They head out into the jungle and Flocke asks him for a situation report.
- Sayid explains (coldly we must add) that Widmore never saw him but some of his people did. He said he didn't kill them because he had what he was there for. Well he did kill a couple people and just left Zoe alive. Interesting that they worded it this way. But he confirms that he did find out what Widmore had locked in the sub. And we roll up on Desmond tied to a tree!
- Flocke apologizes for Sayid tying him up but they were afraid he would run before the 2 of them had a chance to talk. Desmond, fearless, said he had nowhere to run to. This leads Flocke to cut him loose.
- Then Flocke goes into Question & Answer mode again.
Why did Widmore bring you back to the Island? Des's answer: I was kidnapped, you need to ask him. Sayid confirms he was under "armed guard" Desmond said that they threw him into a shack and got blasted with massive amount of electromagnetism. Flocke asks how he would know specifically that it was that. And Des just answers with "Experience".
Flocke then asks Desmond if he knows who he's talking to. Desmond acknowledges that it is John Locke. Now, I don't think we ever saw a scene where anyone confirmed to Desmond that John Locke was dead. So, the question is if Desmond really thinks it's Locke or he is just playing along with the game. - Flocke sends Sayid back to camp while he takes Desmond for a walk. Flocke says there is something he wants to show Desmond and does extend his hand. Desmond actually DOES take it too. Not sure if there is significance to this or not.
Flocke and Desmond go for a Walk
- Flocke asks Desmond to remind him how long he was in the hatch pushing that button. We recall that it was 3 years of Desmond's life. Flocke says if he didn't know any better that the Island has it in for him. Desmond retorts with the fact that the Island has it in for all of them to which Flocke agrees.
- Then Desmond sees another mysterious boy (similar to Sawyer seeing one). Flocke can see him as well. Desmond asks who it is and Flocke angrily suggests ignoring him! This kid smiles at Desmond and then runs away. Just because I already got a couple questions on if this is the same kid that we saw before, I'm putting that picture right below this new one. Seems like 2 different kids. One with blonde hair and one with brownish hair.
- Working theory? This might be Jacob and MIB as kids. And possibly we will see a backstory with these kids in more detail. Other working theory? We have really been watching Peter Pan for 6 seasons and these are some of the Lost Boys in Never Never Land! (okay, that one was obviously a joke! ) But clearly, we know that the Man in Black is not thrilled to see these ghostly kid images that only certain other people can see. Desmond can see them now too? Significant? It would certainly seem so. We also know that the Man in Black talked about being a "man" before and that he had a Crazy Mother. It would seem like we will get these details filled in at some point before the season's end. So why not drop in images of MIB and Jacob as kids throughout the season? Like I said, just a theory! It could be something totally different.
- Night falls, and Desmond and Flocke reach their destination. And it appears to be a well similar to the one that led Locke to the Donkey Wheel (prior to DHARMA building the Orchid Station around it). We find out from Flocke that there are many wells around the Island.
- Flocke asks Desmond if he's wondering how deep it is. Desmond says that he read his mind. When Flocke drops the torch down the hole it's very reminiscent of the season 2 premiere "Man of Science, Man of Faith" when Locke and Kate drop something down into the Hatch to hear how deep it is. Based on how long this torch fell, it certainly seems not as deep as the Swan Site or the Orchid Site which we know Ben says is "Deeeeeep". But we certainly draw comparisons to these other holes on the Island.
- Flocke tells him that the well is VERY OLD. Of course, he wouldn't pinpoint a date or anything. Why would he? Obviously, we'll be guessing forever how old this crazy Island is!
- Although he did say that the well is so old that people dug the well by hand. (So just for kicks I googled when the shovel was invented. I got a kick out of the Wiki-Anwer for that one. "No one Knows")
- Flocke says these people digging the well were not looking for water but for answers. A long time ago places like they are standing in made compass needles spin. Yep, you guessed it: Magnetism. This must be one of the pockets of electromagnetism on the Island. And if you recall from season 1, once Locke was done with the compass he gave it to Sayid saying that he didn't need it anymore. Sayid was concerned about the compass not pointing directly north and shared this information with Jack. We can assume that the proximity to the swan hatch or just electromagnetic activity on the Island in general was throwing the compass off. But we never saw a compass spin! Anyway, the people holding the compasses needed to know why they were spinning. Flocke says that they did not find what they were looking for. Hmmm, here's a random thought, was MIB and/or Jacob part of this well digging crew? I guess we'll find out!
- Flocke says the reason he is showing Desmond the well is to prove that Charles Widmore is not interested in answers, only power. (Kind of reminds us of Widmore telling Ben off island "That Island is mine Benjamin. It will be again.") Flocke suggests hat Widmore brought Desmond back to the Island so that he could help him find what he's looking for. Like I mentioned earlier, Flocke says that this is not the only well. Something isn't adding up. Does Flocke mean that Charles wants to bring Desmond to a bunch of wells and holes in the island and expose him to electro-magnetism to find something? Do we think that MIB was exposed to some of this electromagnetism a long time ago and somehow it caused him to take the form of Smokey!? I know, I'm just throwing out bizarre ideas. But come on, how do we explain a SMOKE MONSTER without bizarre ideas!?
- Desmond isn't buying that this is why Flocke brought him out here. It would seem he is correct. Flocke asks Desmond why he isn't afraid. He is out in the middle of the jungle with HIM and o one knows where they are yet he isn't afraid. Is Flocke suggesting that Desmond knows this isn't John Locke? Anyway, newly enlightened Desmond sees no point in being afraid. Flocke smiles at Desmond and then just throws him into the well head first. WHAAAAT!?!?!?!
- Well, that would be an awful way for Desmond to meet his end right? Especially with the BIG PLANS that his return to the Island have promised. I'm not going to get into previews for next week's episode so I cannot comment any further on speculation to if he's alive or dead. Crazy ABC and their promos!
- I will say this though, clearly Flocke sees/saw Desmond as a threat!
Team Jacob
Hurley at Boone Hill
So we join Hurley on the Island replacing an old flower with a new flower by Libby's grave and giving her an update on what has been going on. He seems kind of surprised that she hasn't come to visit him.
So we join Hurley on the Island replacing an old flower with a new flower by Libby's grave and giving her an update on what has been going on. He seems kind of surprised that she hasn't come to visit him.
- Ilana interrupts Hurley and asks if he's ready to go. She is going to the Black Rock to get some dynamite and then says they're leaving when she returns. Okay, really? Remember how long it took them to walk to the Black Rock in season 1? Did Ilana really have to rush Hurley's conversation with dead Libby because she's going to be gone for half of a day? Anyway, it was all for the sake of the story, but I still love how traveling on the Island happens so much more quickly now in these later seasons!
- Hurley suggests that dynamite may not be the best move to blow up the Ajira plane. Ilana suggests that it's the only plan she has. And then he defers to the expert.
- When Ilana asks about the grave, Hurley gives a sweet little recap of his love life with Libby. Tail section girl, they were gonna have their first date. It was going to be like a picnic but then she was murdered. (ugh Michael!) Oh well, they still got to have their date in sideways land! Ilana apologizes and then heads to the Black Rock.
- But we're not done yet because we hear some of the infamous Island whispers and then someone else shows up. (and thank you again ABC for ruining this one in last week's previews!) It's the ghost of Michael!
- Michael says he is there to stop Hurley from getting everyone killed. Hurley doesn't want to trust Michael after what he did to Ana Lucia and Libby. Michael insists that it doesn't matter right now. If they blow up that plane, people are going to die. A LOT of people and it's all going to be Hurley's fault. He says that people are listening to Hurley now. So who are the people that would die? Anyone trying to blow up the plane?
- And please, I hope no one is going to suggest that this vision of Michael is Smokey! He clearly was busy the whole episode and judging by us getting an answer on the whispers in this episode I'm going to guess this clearly was a ghostly vision! The bigger question is, what side are the Ghosts on? We have Isabella telling Richard through Hurley to stop the Man in Black. Now we have Michael telling Hurley to not blow up the plane. Are they suggesting they need to prevent MIB from leaving the Island in a different way? Oh well, stay tuned!
- Jack comes and interrupts Hurley's ghostly conversation. He asks who Hurley is talking to and Hurley denies talking to anyone. Jack lets Hurley know that they're leaving.
Debate on blowing up Plane
Ilana rolls back into the beach camp with the dynamite and says that they have to get on the outriggers and across to Hydra Island by nightfall.
Ilana rolls back into the beach camp with the dynamite and says that they have to get on the outriggers and across to Hydra Island by nightfall.
- Okay, it's coming more and more together now! There are outriggers at the beach camp. So maybe when it's finally time to go to Hydra Island they're going to have to go back for the boats to cross the Island (Flocke has one, but they might need more). And when they get there someone is taking one of the boats into the ocean to get to the Orchid station. (yes, those someones would be the Time Traveling LOSTIES from season 5) Whoever needs the outriggers mistaken these people for one of their adversaires and open fire! Or it's team Widmore shooting at what seems to be the smoke monster disguised as Locke when it actually is Locke. I'm more convinced than ever that we will get the other side of this scene! It just turns out that we were witnessing events that were part of the end game of LOST last season. Good times!
- Anyway, Ilana and Richard discuss how much dynamite she got. Ilana explains that she got 4 sticks and that it's enough to blow the cockpit and all of the components. The plane will never fly. And I'm just wondering after Jack and Rousseau blew up the others in season 3, where they're getting the rest of this dynamite!?!
- Hurley chimes in suggesting that using the dynamite is not a good idea. It's highly unstable. Ilana told Hurley that she has been training for this her whole life and that he needs to trust her. (Love how Hurley asks if she's been training her whole life to blow things up).
- Hurley doesn't understand how blowing up the plane will protect them. Ilana says that "that thing" won't be able to leave the Island. Hurley brings up a good point "Neither will we and then it will be angry at us." good times!
- Ilana then says that Jacob said that Richard would know what to do and this is what Richard told them what to do. Hurley mentions that Jacob never told HIM anything about this so maybe Richard is wrong. Ilana says she is looking out for their best interests. And that "THAT THING" is evil. And then she delivers a common line we have heard the past couple of seasons. "God help us if it ever leaves this island because...."
- Woa........very similar to Arzt blowing up in mid-conversation we get a shout out to the past by blowing up Ilana in the same manner. But this explosion was 4 sticks of dynamite instead of one leading to a very explosive mess! WOW. I spared you the pictures of raining bits of Ilana. RIP Ilana, you served your purpose well. Sorry you trained your whole life just to deliver a message!
- Next we see what seems to be Hurley looking through Ilana's stuff. He sees a book which I have absolutely no idea how to translate! No fear, I turned to Lostpedia on this one. It appears to be a Russian Version of Notes From the Underground by Dostoevsky. That's as far as I'm going with this one. Read on if you like in the links! Hurley also looks into a pouch. I almost forgot what it was, but I just remembered. It's Jacob's ashes! Hurley gets a brainstorm.
- Richard is telling everyone they need to go back to the Black Rock for more dynamite. Jack argues that maybe Ilana died to show us to stay away from Dynamite. Richard is willing to take the risk. Jack brings up that he promised Sun he'd get her off the Island. Richard says to blame it on him!
- Hurley puts his plan into action and says that he thinks Richard is right and he tells Jack to trust him. So, just like Michael said, everyone is listening to Hugo and they all go with Richard to the Black Rock.
Black Rock
- On the way to the Black Rock, thankfully someone starts talking about Island intervention again. I was beginning to think this whole show is going to boil down to Jacob vs. MIB. It's good to know that the Island is still an entity and a character on its own in this show. Ben discusses with Jack about Ilana dying so suddenly after informing them all that they're Candidates. She was hand-picked by Jacob, trained to come and protect the candidates, no sooner does she tell them who they are then she blows up. "The Island was done with her." It's making Ben think about what the Island will do when its done with them. Very interesting point! I don't think this line of dialogue was just placed in there for Ben to have something to say. This seems pretty important! And it reminds me of stuff that we have been seeing...well from season 1 but more specifically season 4 when Michael kept trying to kill himself but Tom Friendly told him "The Island is not done with you." And then, on the freighter Christian Shephard appears to Michael and tells him he can go now or whatever. (I still believe that this was NOT Smokey...I don't know how he would have gotten there!) This all seems to be part of this whole "The Island is not done with you" thing. Yeah, maybe this stuff is linked to Jacob's touch in some way but it would seem that the Island is playing a part in this stuff too, in particular, deciding when life ends for certain people. Should be interesting how this all plays out!
- Everyone shows up at the Black Rock and then they notice Hurley is not with them. Next thing we see is Hurley running out from the Black Rock and yelling for people to RUN! Oh no, he didn't. Yep, he did!
- Looks like Hurley pulled a fast one on all of us! Did anyone else get flashbacks to Locke blowing stuff up in season 3? i.e. The Flame station and the Sub. Of course Locke was trying to prevent people from leaving the Island. Hurley is trying to keep their method of transportation OFF of the Island viable! In any case, RIP Black Rock. We certainly know we are nearing the end of an awesome series if they're blowing up historical landmarks!
- Richard is beyond peeved and Hurley just says that he is protecting them. Jack tries to calm down Richard. Meanwhile, I love how Miles said to Hurley that "A warning would have been nice" and Hurley respons with "I did yell RUN" Ahhh good times.
- Hurley explains to Miles that Michael told him to blow up the Black Rock (well, not specifically told him to do that but we get the point "No more dynamite, no more blowing up"). He said it's one of the people that comes back after they die and yells at him. He tells him that dead people yelling at him "happens enough." And then he explains that he listens to them because Dead people are more reliable than alive people. Now, I don't recall all of these ghosts ever yelling at Hurley. Only Michael! I guess maybe Ana Lucia raised her voice a bit and Charlie too. They all have been helping guide his way though.
- Meanwhile, Richard is not giving up. He is now planning to go to the DHARMA Barracks and pick up some explosives, to which he asks Ben if there are any left. Jack wants to stop and talk about it. Richard says there is no time but he'll welcome any other suggestions to keeping Smokey on the Island without blowing up the plane.
- Hurley says that he knows what to do. They have to go talk to Locke. Ummmm what!? Everyone looks at him like he's crazy, but then he brings up that Jacob told him to do it. Recall Jacob's ashes folks. Clearly, Hurley is lying. And long story short. This splits up the group.
- Richard asks who is with him and states very clearly that if that thing leaves the Island then it's all over. What is? EVERYTHING. Widmore and Richard seem to know what will happen if Smokey leaves the Island. Naturally, they won't share. Of course Richard may be motivated by Isabella who said "They're all going to hell" if they don't stop him. I just love how Hurley went and convinced Richard to come back and now he won't listen to him. I really hope we don't have argumentative GHOSTS on the Island too! It's bad enough we can't tell who is fighting for the right cause vs. wrong cause with ALIVE people!
- Ben and Miles elect to go with Richard. But Jack clearly states that he's going with Hurley. And considering the last time that the group split up between Jack and Locke (season 4) and Hurley not wanting to listen to Jack, this was a great moment! And of course, Frank and Sun decide to go with Jack and Hurley as well.
- Miles tells Hurley that he saw that thing in action at the Temple and it doesn't want to talk. This is his motivation to go with Richard.
- Richard advises Jack, Hurley and crew to not get in their way. Oh boy! Well, at least it puts all of our original LOSTIES in one place! And it makes Ben an adversary once again. Of course, we don't know where talking to Flocke is going to get them all yet.
Hurley leading the charge
- Night falls, Sun writes to Frank asking if they made a mistake. Frank says probably.
- Hurley asks Jack what they should say to Locke when he gets there. "How do you break the ice with the Smoke Monster?" Ahhh love it! Jack assumes Flocke will do most of the talking. Hurley is worried that he made the wrong decision and Smokey could just kill them all.
- Hurley comes clean to not seeing Jacob to which Jack already knew. Jack explains that he came with Hurley that ever since he got Juliet killed all he has wanted to do was fix it. And he just can't. Jack said it's very hard for him to sit back and let other people tell him what to do, but he thinks that is the point. Maybe he's supposed to let go. Hurley suggests that maybe Jack letting go gets them killed. Jack said that Hurley asked him to trust him and that's what he's doing.
- As Hurley explains that he doesn't know where he's going we hear the whispers again and while everyone panics with their guns up, Hurley seems to know what "these things are".
- Hurley goes away from the group and yells out for Michael. And he shows up!
- We find out that Michael is stuck on the Island as a ghost because of what he did. I guess saving his friends and sacrificing himself wasn't enough? Interesting. Anyway, there are others like him that are stuck on the Island. And THAT is what the whispers are. ANSWER!! Okay, so I don't know if this resolves Ghosts in general but we find out Michael is stuck on the Island and "can't move on". Yes, kind of like PURGATORY (shudder). It doesn't really explain why we usually heard the whispers when the Others were showing up but I guess it could be the Ghostly figures discussing it and trying to warn the LOSTIES. I dunno. Hmm, I wonder if this means that Goodwynn's wife WAS dead when she showed up to Juliet? There were whispers and we haven't seen her since! But what exactly does "MOVING ON" mean? Is Charlie not punished for killing Ethan and he can appear to Hurley as a Ghost OFF of the Island? Is Eko not punished for all of his murders in his life? Ana Lucia for killing that guy in cold blood that shot her? Does killing someone make you an automatic candidate to be a Ghost? Is that why Libby hasn't shown up to Hurley? Why is Isabella a ghost on the Island then? Just because she wants to be where Richard is? Why wouldn't Libby want to be where her soul mate is? And Christian Shephard....what's up with his Ghost? Yeah, he may have been smokey at times but he also seems to have been a Ghost as I've mentioned countless times. Did performing that surgery while impaired and killing that girl and her unborn child give him an eternal Island sentence?
- Yep, so we sure got an answer and we can be thankful for Hurley actually asking the question "Is that what the whispers are?" and for Michael simply answering "yeah" but of course it's going to raise a hundred more questions! Sorry for all the readers who I just frustrated with my over-analysis and more thought provoking questions! We need something to talk about when this show ends!
- You gotta love that Hurley asks Michael where Locke is and then he points to another clearly visible campfire and says "there." Thanks Michael!
- Hurley asks if there is anything he can do to help Michael. He says to not get himself killed. I wonder if that was code to say that Hurley would be saving the Island ghosts if they don't blow up that plane. I am still confused then why Isabella is telling Richard to not let Flocke off of the Island. Maybe we have to go with the ol' "The LOSTIES are going to disregard both MIB and Jacob in the end" theory of mine. But in the meantime, we're going to see all of our living original cast mates together in one place! (well, minus Jin and plus Terry O'Quinn playing a different character)
- Michael also says that if Hurley ever does see Libby again to tell her he's very sorry. Hurley said he'd be sure to pass it on.
Reunion
- Flocke returns to camp after disposing of Desmond into the well. He tells Sayid that he will no longer be an issue. Sawyer shows up all annoyed again at Flocke skipping town and going for a walk. And just as he's getting ready to let him have it Hugo walks into the camp just like Flocke had hoped. And we get Sawyer's classic "S.O.B." response!
- Hurley said that he doesn't know who Flocke is or what he wants but they have to talk to him and promise not to not bring any violence if they keep the same promise. Flocke hands over his knife and promises that the will not do anything. Hurley signals them all in. We see Sun looking around for Jin and sadly she still does not find him. We see Jack and Kate smile at each other. awwwww Woa, I just realized this is going to be the first time Jack sees Claire while knowing that they are related! Exciting!! Too bad she's crazy.
- But the biggest meeting we have been looking forward to is Jack vs. Flocke. This is the first time Jack has seen a walking and talking Locke since The Orchid station in the Season 4 finale. "Hello Jack." Jack, even knowing what he was going to see is still shocked at the site.
Update: Man, I'm losing it! Obviously Jack and Locke met off Island when Locke was trying to get him back to the Island. (season 5) Thanks anonymous commenter for correcting me!
This probably would have been a big enough "BOOM LOST" Moment for the week, but we got more! I'm still looking forward to next week's meeting of the minds and where this will all go.
Flash Sideways - Desmond, Ben, Locke
Instead of ending, we flash sideways to Locke wheeling his way into the High School with Desmond watching from afar in his car.
Ben Linus knocks on his window thinking Desmond is a child predator or something. Desmond is quick to respond that he was checking out the school for his son. Whom he quickly refers to has Charlie. (We must remember Desmond has no son in this timeline, so he must be remembering his other existence. As we did see him flash on a vision of little Charlie last week).
Ben goes into praising the school and says that Desmond's child would do well there. Desmond can't keep his eye off of Locke though.
Once he dismisses Ben, he sees Locke dead ahead in his path, starts the car and speeds right towards Mr. Locke! He barrels right into him and keeps on driving!
- WHAAAAT!!?!?!? Ben comes running over and yelling for someone to call 911. He says they're going to get him to a hospital right away. We see Locke shaking and twitching and all bloody.
BOOM LOST!!!!
Wow, totally didn't see that coming!! Immediate questions. Is Locke being brought to Jack's hospital? Is he getting there the same time that Sun and Jin will show up there? I would guess yes. What was Desmond's intent? Does he want Locke to have a near death experience to see his other life? Does he remember "John Locke" throwing him into a well to his pending death? Does Desmond know by hitting Locke that it will cause a scene where many LOSTIES will run into each other at one time causing an awakening? Jack has already been made aware of Charlie and Desmond being on the same flight and coming to his hospital. Desmond also knows Jack works at the hospital. Very interesting stuff folks. One thing we can't deny, THINGS ARE GETTING CRAZY! And all of these storylines that everyone complained about from the first half of the season are starting to pay off. Especially the time we spent in sideways land getting accustomed to the landscape and situations that all of our Sideways Losties are in before all hell breaks loose!
I cannot wait for more! And yes, sadly, there is not much more. There are 4 more episodes before the 2 hour Series Finale! Of course, many may have not heard we will be taking the last Tuesday of April off. They will re-air the Richard Centric "Ab Aeterno Episode. Hey, it's fine with me. I could use a breather before the final onslaught! Maybe I will plan on posting an updated list of answered questions and questions we still have that week. We'll see how I'm feeling!
But for now, I'm done and can't wait to start the discussion with all of the fine readers of this blog! I hope you enjoyed my ramblings and I'll see you next week! NAMASTE
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 237 of 237David - yeah the writers have been pretty good with keeping which characters call him what consistent. Very true also that he kept his word to the Temple crew. Yeah, I believed him when he told Hurley he wasn't going to hurt them either. But I didn't know how long that word would last! Still don't. But I can't wait to shed some light on Jacob and MIB's backstory because I'm guessing we would learn some twists and turns that make us look at things a little differently. Just a guess! But we'll have to wait a bit for that. I have a feeling tomorrow night's episode will leave us with a decent cliffhanger if they knew in advance we'd be getting a rerun next week.
And did I mention I'm looking forward to a week break? LOL I know having LOST back to back is awesome, but whew...this blogging is a handful! Plus, we need to savor how little time we have left with our favorite crew!
Not sure if you guys heard there is a featured article in Wired Magazine about LOST with Darlton. Lots of Sciency talk about season 6. I didn't get the mag but you can see the scans of the magazine pages below. I'm reading now lol
Wired Magazine LOST Aritcle
hi :)
this will be completely off subject, and quite a pointless question, but i need some help. i remember from season 4 when sun gives birth that jin was running around all episode climazing to him attending someone elses birth. but to my knowledge, jin has never managed to get off the island. so could someone explain to me, how he managed to be there?
Hey Nat, we actually saw a Flash Forward for Sun and a Flashback for Jin in that same episode. So no, Jin didn't leave the island. But at the time we didn't know this. We were meant to think Jin was running all over town trying to get to Sun, but in the end he was doing a favor for Sun's father.
We got hints along the way including Jin's ancient cell phone, finding out it was the Year of the Dragon, finding out that Jin and Sun were newlyweds, and Jin's overall demeanor was very much like Pre-Island "working for Sun's Dad" angry Jin.
Hope this helps!
Let's jsut remember - jsut because we've only seen certain persons touched by Jacob does not mean that others have not been touched and we haven't seen it.
Leaning towards Rose and Bernard being Adam and Eve. We've always got hung on the fact that Jack thought the bodies were over 30 year old - and we have not seen R&B come back from 1977 - so maybe they didn't. They wanted to live in their hut and not get involved any more - so maybe they did just that.
And it was kinda dumb having Ilana slinging that dynamite around after they spent copious eps with her telling us how she's trained and trained for this ! Crappy training I'd say. LOL But - I'll just roll with it.
Ilana's death did seem a bit counter intuitive to what we had been shown about her life until that point but this is "lost" so who knows if she may still have some role to play in death or in "grey" Sideways world?!
That actually reminds me of another character whose sudden death mad no sense to me in season 5 - Caesar. He seemed like an interesting character with an interesting actor playing him - then Ben just kills him so quickly. I secretly keep hoping that Caesar is still alive and in cahoots with Ben...
Yeah, Hurley might as well talk to all-exlosivo'd-up Ilana since he's talking to all the other dead folks :).
Another possibility on the "Claire not getting on the helicopter" thingy... Des was worried about changing his visions and that's at least one of the reasons he wouldn't talk about them. Maybe him saving Charlie caused the future to change and Claire and Aaron not to get on the helicopter.
Just as likely something else, but that's what I've always assumed.
@MJ - Yeah I know we haven't seen Rose and Bernard, but I have a feeling they'll be showing up in the finale again like they always do lol The past few years it seems like they have been in the premiere, the finale and one or 2 episodes in between. Considering they aren't regular cast members and they have to work out their schedules to fly to hawaii and all of that what not...I think they have enjoyed making it a guessing game to see when we'll see them next. yeah, it makes sense if it was Rose and Bernard...and I'm not going to criticize the writers if that's who it ends up being because of a 20 year difference lol And it would also make sense if they said they had a plan from the beginning and that's who it is. But, I'm still thinking it might be someone else. Not sure who..but it's still fun to speculate!
With Ilana, I think that was the point...she probably thought she was protected by Jacob to some extent. So her slinging around the dynamite wasn't a concern of hers. She was trained by Jacob himself. And she probably had no fear of being offed so suddenly. But then Ben adds his 2 cents in afterwards about the Island being done with her....and it all seems to make sense. (you know...as much as something can make sense on LOST) But yeah, crappy training on Jacob's part...or he just didn't care what happened to her after she fulfilled her mission.
@David - yeah I wouldn't doubt it if we ran into Ilana in Sideways Land. As for Caesar, I think they were going for shock value on us with that one. They made us think he was going to be such an important character and then they OFFED him. I think that was Damon getting his cake and eating it too after him and JJ wanting to kill off Jack in the pilot episode after making us think he would be the hero. Naturally, TPTB at ABC saw Jack as the hero so they rewrote the script to keep him in it...and cast Matthew Fox instead of Michael Keaton. Anyway, it's apples and oranges comparing Jack to Caesar...but the concept of casting someone, making us feel he is important and then suddenly offing him....very much the same! lol
@Bryan - Yeah, Ilana may appear in ghost form but then the question is if ALL Ghosts are trapped on the Island like Michael or just the ones that did "EVIL THINGS"....doesn't make sense in Isabella's case unless she just wandered all the way to the Island to check on her Richard. And of course, who knows with Christian Shephard. I'm just rambling here. I could go on and on with Ghosts we have seen on the Island and off!
Which time are you referring to him saving Charlie? because anything he did up until the point where Charlie drowned seemed to be part of his final vision. Yeah he saved him multiple times before that but the universe COURSE CORRECTED to that scenario that was supposed to lead to Claire and Aaron getting in a chopper. NOW...if someone was to tell me that MIB or Jacob or the ISLAND put this false image into Desmond's head...I might just buy it. Because Claire ended up being abducted and claimed by the Man in Black...so this might have all been part of his plan. But I just don't know why Desmond would have lied to Charlie or kept the whole truth from him. At that point, I think they had earned each other's trust...after the CATCH 22 incident. And, in my mind, it would tarnish one of the greatest season finales of all time if we were to find out Desmond was misleading Charlie. But hey...that's just me! lol
We know that MIB had a crazy mother but no mention of who this person's father was or is? Is the crazy mother also present on the island in some way?
Yeah for once we don't hear about a character's Daddy issues lol I'm sure whoever this mother is will play a significant role in the final hours. Well, maybe not a significant role but may play a significant part in how MIB came to be the way he is.
We need that backstory!
What if Ilana was knew she was supposed to blow up, to help convince Hurley that he is supposed to lead them. It IS possible... why else would she be throwing around unstable explosives?
hehe Maybe her training included getting old explosives to blow up by throwing them around :)
Okay, I'll go with dramatic effect for the Hurley-Isabella thing.
Something that my girlfriend mentioned (she is not so obsessed but often comes out with questions I can't answer!) - was Libby on the Oceanic 815 in SW? I don't think it was mentioned and it would be hard given she was in the institute, but it seems like everyone from the orignal flight was supposed to be there. Any thoughts?
Matt
I personally don't think that everyone on the original oceanic 815 flight had to have been on the Sideways flight apart from our main losties i.e. the Candidates plus Boone, Kate, Rose and Bernard.
Missing folk like Libby, Michael, Walt, Shannon, Ana Lucia etc., not so sure that it is important.
Desmond happened to be on the flight in Sideways world while he was "button pushing" on the Island in the original timeline.
Who knows what these rules are - aside from actor/actress availability and time constraints that is!
My sister just emailed me this:
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=7388529
It is funny, Pierre Change untangling Everybody Loves Hugo.
Mike,
I never thought that Des was lying to Charlie or misleading him by saying that he saw Clair and Aaron get on the helicopter, I figured it was more of a kindness - like saying everything is going to be ok when you know don't know what else to say. Charlie was adamant to be the one that needed to save everyone and he was worried, he knew he was not coming back from this mission. Desmond was being a friend and showing compasion. I thought he was just saying everything would be OK since we never saw that vision of his, it was one of the few flashes he had that we didn't really see. I never thought he was being snarky about it, just giving support that Charlie needed at the time.
Did anyone notice that the buildings in the volcano picture in the beginning of the episode (when they were giving Hurley the award) look very similar to the ones Jack saw when Jack and Hurley were in the lighthouse.
Is desmond the first person to take flockes hand?
Goodwynn’s wife was a psychiatrist on the island and to the best of my knowledge after she found out about Juliet and Goodwynn she confronted Juliet then left the island. That’s why we never saw her again…I don’t think she was a ghost.
Its driving me crazy! We never found out what happened to Illana – why she was in the hospital when Jacob went to see her?
@ Mike V - So everyone on board with the 'Prison" word instead of 'purgatory'?
Davidsalako brought up the baptismus thing and I added the savage beating Locke gave to Charlie because of the baptismus he attempted on Aaron, which Claire did it for herself and Aaron with the help of Mr Echo.
We know now that Smokey doesn't have much of a problem with rainy water but...
... from the show 'Supernatural' we know that Bobby, Sammy and Dean are killing demons using salt-leaded bullets and holy water.
Could it be possible that such things - salty ocean water might handicap his evil power and thus be the problem Flocke has in leaving the island?
Desmond tried and successfully prevented Charlie's death. Could've that opened up just as many alternate sideways as many times Desmond defied the universe in saving Charlie?
@Weasel - I guess anything is possible! But I'm not seeing it! I think she just figured she was safe. Or she didn't believe the seasoned vets on the Island of how unstable the dynamite is lol
@Matt - Good question on Libby being on Oceanic 815. I actually was thinking about it too. Damon and Carlton did make comments like we're going to find out why we didn't see characters such as Shannon, Michael, Walt, Libby, Eko and Ana Lucia on the plane. Well maybe we did find out reasons for Libby - Was in institution, Michael - "spirit" is trapped on the island, can't exist in another timeline (therefore neither can Walt), Shannon - didn't need to be "saved" by Boone...but we will see here again..who knows how or when! Considering they couldn't recruit Eko for the final season, who knows if we'll get more info on him! But I'm going to guess Libby was NOT on the plane.
@David - I will 2nd actor/actress availability lol Particularly with Shannon. Michael and Walt probably couldn't be there because of Walt's age. EKO, I mentioned above...there was definitely some drama on getting him back to the show. I don't know what it was though. Libby also wasn't available at first. But, they did write around these issues and made it part of the show. So we'll see what happens!
@gnni - thanks for the vid, I'll check it out later! Okay, I guess that is one explanation for Des telling Charlie what he told him. Des was just telling him for the greater good. I still say it's lying! lol But actually, we only really saw ONE of his visions. He told us about the rest of them. (the catch 22 vision was the one we saw) Unless you count his flashes of the island he had when he went back in time.
@Shannon - Actually the building we saw in the light house was in South Korea at the location of where Jin and Sun got married. Every location we saw were the locations where Jacob went to meet the Candidates. Except for Jack which was at his childhood home. I still think the shots we saw were so it could trigger the right memories and not make us wonder why we didn't see the inside of the hospital for Jack (since that's where Jacob actually touched him. But that's getting sidetracked! As I have been told countless times in emails and in the comments (since I didn't know when I wrote up the blog)....that was Mt. Fuji in the Hurley slideshow which is in Japan! lol
@Florin - I'm cool with calling it a Prison for the dead spirits for now...if we find out really what's going on maybe not. I know every once in awhile we start bringing up the TIME LOOP again or something to that extent. I can't help thinking about it again. You know...the infamous and ominous conversation between Jacob and MIB "It only ends once, everything before that is progress" Maybe certain characters keep looping through events in different ways....but ones that who they know are not part of the ultimate plan "get stuck" on the Island until "it ends"....i.e. Michael...which is why he's not in sideways land. I started going down this path at the end of season 5 with multiple cycles through. I don't exactly think that's what is going on....but I had to throw the idea out there.
I stil think that Jacob/MIB conversation was referring to each group of people that Jacob brought to the Island...."they come, they fight, they corrupt, they destroy....it always ends the same" "it only ends once" AND THIS is when it's going to end. Of course....then why would Jacob or the Island want a replacement if things were progressing towards the end? LOL
Anyway...i'm rambling...
Good point with Salt Water vs Rain water Florin...could be onto something. I don't watch Supernatural so I can't comment on that show...but I know you just threw it in there for comparison.
Interesting idea that Desmond created sideways worlds every time he saved Charlie...I'm thinking probably not...but he definitely did change things in the one timeline causing the universe to course correct! But if we went with the TIME LOOP theory again.....Desmond's visions of Charlie could have been various different timelines of Charlie dying...each time Desmond prevented one death, he saw a vision of another version where charlie died a different way. In other words...it was inevitable that Charlie was going to die...but because of Desmond's clairvoyance, they were able to decide WHEN it was going to happen.
But, as i said, Time Loop has always been a fascinating theory, and it's worth keeping around for discussions.....but I don't think that's what is going on!
On Rose and Benard as Adam and Eve:
I would hope the characters who are Adam and Eve would be more significant to the story line. Rose and Benard have been a punch line for the most part like where's Waldo.
I agree with Gnni take on Desmond being compasionate to Charlie telling him everything will be ok. That does not make him any less of a stand-up guy. He came to grips that he could not change it. He even was willing to trade place with Charlie to take himself out of the equation, becuase he couldn't live with the guilt of letting a friend die. Charlie's bravado came as a direct result of Desmond's white lie that he would be sacrificing himself for love.
Did anyone catch a Libby appearing on House last night?
One more thing on Adam and Eve, we shouldn't get to hung up on the 50 year comment that Jack made based on clothing degradation... it was just a lay person education guess so plus or minus +/- 25 years is still good.
If a shattered statue can vanish in 130 years but the rotting corpse of a boat can stay largly intact in the same time frame in a humid island forect--we can let go of reality a little with jack's comments.
V
@V (guessing both comments were you lol) - good call on the Where's Waldo with Rose & Bernard. I also agree that I'm willing to concede on the 40-50 year thing. It's been a general rule of thumb but I also have mentioned that Jack is a Spinal Surgeon, not a forensics expert! lol
and yeah...good point about the statue vs. black rock!
Yeah...it's all well and good with the Desmond and Charlie stuff...and it can be dressed up however you want it. But I choose to believe that Desmond was NOT lying to Charlie whether for a good reason or not. I still agree with everything else you said though. Desmond couldn't live with the guilt of letting Charlie die so he'd do it instead...etc... But, I think we're all kidding ourselves if we didn't expect to see a scene with Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter at some point in the show. Even though I knew she wouldn't be in season 5....I STILL thought that she would be on that chopper in the season 4 finale...lol And then she just wasn't. Knowing what we know now....I'm thinking maybe MIB intervened in what was SUPPOSED to happen and kept her hidden from everyone. Christian (suppoedly MIB in the cabin) even told Locke to not tell anyone that he saw claire there...it would only confuse them. I dunno...I just think there is more to it. Maybe more that we'll never learn...but still more. I just don't want to think that Des was not being entirely truthful with Charlie. But, in the end, I think this scene will be ambiguous enough for us to draw our own conclusions!
Thought some might find this interesting. It is a couple of lines from the New Testament Book of Revelations:
"To the victor I shall give some of the hidden manna; I shall also give a white stone upon which is inscribed a new name, which no one knows except the one who receives it."
- The hidden manna: this is the food of life. The "white stone," on which was written a magical name, whose power could be tapped by one who knew the secret name. It is used here as a symbol of victory and joy. New name: this is a reference to the Christian's rebirth in Christ.
No Totally LOST this week according to Doc Jensen :-( Oh well. Here's his Countdown to LOST!
Doc Jensen Countdown to LOST
@David - yet more interesting references from scripture! I think I've had my fill of them lately so I will just leave it at that :-) lol
Parts (2) of a Darlton podcast. Explains the Jimmy Kimel thing a little more - and is SO not what we have heard. Not at all spoilery about upcoming shows
http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/04/15/lost-exclusive-team-darlton-on-remaining-mysteries-post-finale-radio-silence/?ew_packageID=20313460
Thanks MJ, I did a brain dump of the podcast last week sometime in these comments (which I know you couldn't possibly have known! just saying lol)
I think we did know that Darlton were planning to go into Radio Silence prior to the announcement of the Jimmy Kimmel thing. They said they want the show to speak for itself and they're sticking to that. So the podcast just reiterated how their Jimmy Kimmel plans won't violate their own rules lol (since they're pre-recording a segment after their Friday appearance on the show). I'm totally fine with that! And I'm going to guarantee with almost 51% confidence that something they'll probably reveal during this episode maybe even in their pre-recorded segment...will be the answer to DHARMA Food Drops lol
Guess i was misunderstand all that I was hearing as I thought they were on kimmel sunday - never heard friday. I did know that they were planning radio silence after the finale but when I thought I heard they were on Kimmel sunday figured that ABC was kinda making them.
well...i was kinda under the impression they'd be there too but I don't know if I actually ever read it anywhere. I was just saying that they had previously stated they were going into radio silence. So I was shocked that they might be appearing on Kimmel. When they cleared it up on the podcast, it just made sense to me that's all. I didn't know they'd be on Kimmel Friday either lol
And what is up with no Totally Lost ! Sheesh ! I mean - they ARE paid to do that stuff unlike yourself so you'd think they could find the time. LOL Oh well
Yeah - I've read like 2% of your blog's comments this and last week.
It's killing me - it's the last of Lost eps ever and I have less and less time each week to savor it during the week. Whatcha gonna do,right ?
Yup...Candidate bringing up the rear this week. Great Episode and GREAT recap Mike. Great posts and speculations this week feeding my thoughts with more more more. Do we have a confirmation on the island photo? is it thee Island? It's kind of hard to tell. So many possibilities on SW Locke/ and Island Flocke. I like the island whispers answer. That theory has been kicking around for a long time and we now get it as fact. As far as Whispers before the the others came to wreak havoc...I think they were just warnings. What makes sense to me ...lol... so far is that The Island is not done with the ghosts that cant move on. So I'm thinking NOT Purgatory. Maybe the Island is done with Libby and that is why her ghost does not appear to Hurley. The whole Christian scene w/ Locke at the donkey wheel still is nagging at me...was it MIB or the ghost of Christian Shepard?? can't wait for tonite!!!
LOL for real MJ! I guess they're pretty busy...and apparently they've been working on some cool stuff that they can't reveal to us yet...so i'm guessing it's LOST related. Yeah, I guess my "gather bucks" doesn't quite compare to the full-time jobs that Jensen and Snierson have writing about pop culture! lol Must be nice. One might say...A DREAM JOB! But alas, here I am, just doing it for the pure fun of it...even if it is equally torturous with the Wednesday morning deadlines I impose on myself lol
Nice on the comments...it does get overbearing. At least for me, I get the comments emailed to me every time one posts which makes it easier to keep up. I think there is an option now that you can check a box when you post your comment to stay updated on the blog comments. But your inbox would get flooded! LOL
I hear ya....I'm trying to savor these final episodes of LOST too but am super busy. But that's what they make summers for! I'm sure I'll be rewatching many times! And commenting up a storm on the blog...maybe even some new posts eventually (on what? i have no idea)
@Candidate - Thanks!!! What island photo are you talking about? The one in the Mental institution? It's the same island photo that was in season 2's DAVE...I think it was just a shout out to the Island in both...not necessarily THE island. As for the chalkboard? who knows? lol Yeah...with the whisper answer there is definitely enough to speculate on why they were around every time on the island....and i'm sure we'll consider it when rewatching it and hearing them in each scene! I AGREE...i want definitive answers on who was GHOST Christian vs MIB....maybe a Flocke/jack conversation could clear that up. Can't wait either!!
Ugh...meeting time.
Yay - Libby returns! Loved that she and Hurley got to share a scene together. Poor Ilana - she had anger issues and it was inevitable that she'd eventually "blow up"! LOL I have no doubt that Dez is not dead - and we saw that coming a mile away - "stay away from the well! He's going to push you in!" The blog is our must-read now what we're careening toward the end and I obsessively read every commment (well, some I skim!) We'll definitely be sad when it's over. Thanks for this wonderful blog - you have no idea how much it helps tie everything together and remind us of pieces of the story we may have forgotten.
Hello LOST Family! You're really doing a number to my ego with all of the endless praise on each episode! lol But I do appreciate it so thank you once again. My only gripe with Libby returning is that they made really no effort in trying to explain why she was in the nuthouse in season 2's flashback. But, i do have the encyclopedia now, so maybe I'll go and read Libby's entry to see if they explain that further lol
I have to remind you of some of the additional blog posts that you can read before the finale. There was the 23 mysteries post that I wrote BEFORE season 6 and then there was a "23 mysteries revisited post" that I wrote when there was a one week hiatus. After you watch "THE LAST RECRUIT" (the next episode) you can read the . 23 mysteries revisited post
And after you watch the finale (I know, we're still a few weeks away from that!), I posted a quick blog just so people could express their feelings (good or bad) about the episode....it ended up getting 400 comments. It took me forever to write a recap of the 2.5 hour episode (with commercials)....so it's your call if you want to read all of those crazy comments (i do contribute my thoughts until people tell me to shut up and focus on the recap lol) Anyway, all of the links I'm mentioning are in the "Recent LOST Addicts Blog post" section of links on the right hand side.
I'm glad the blog is adding to your journey and you're totally welcome. Thank you for keeping me in the loop as you go through your LOST experience. It has been a fun time! See you after the next episode!
Mike, I guess I'm also an "easily pleased Lost fan," because I loved this episode! It's pretty awesome that we're finally getting some real answers, too! You can tell that the writers were literally planting these answers into the show because they knew they had to tie up some mysteries in a neat little bow before they could move on to the big business of the finale.
Everything does seem to be coming together as more and more sideways Losties are remembering their former lives, and those memories are becoming stronger and having more impact. Hurley getting kissed by Libby on the beach and finally recalling his love for Libby was super tremendous beautiful, because Everybody Loves Hugo! His role as a leader in this ep was so cool to watch and so different than what he was back in the first couple seasons.
The scenes between Flocke and Desmond were great as Desmond displayed an unshakable calmness, as if knowing that whatever would happen was destined to happen, and it wouldn't change the fact that he would meet Penny at the stadium and go out for coffee. Flocke dumps him in the well, but without even seeing the outcome we know that Desmond will be getting out of there before long to do something heroic, because he is the superhero ElectroMagnetism Man!
Jack deferring to Hurley and showing his faith in somebody besides himself was yet another big step forward in my admiration for Jack. He really has redeemed himself through his willingness to trust and follow people that he used to disrespect. Jack was kind of a mess when he was a Man of Science, but as he suddenly turned into a Man of Faith he became a better, and more likable, person.
Cool, so we learned the whispers are coming from ghosts, which is yet another mystery solved. I should emphasize that just because these ghosts are stuck in Purgatory on the Island, doesn't mean that the Island itself is Purgatory. You can be stuck in Purgatory in Philadelphia, too, but that doesn't mean that Philadelphia is Purgatory. (welllll, then again...)
Desmond drives a car into Locke: Of course, this made me wince because I really like Locke in sideways life, but I can see that Desmond did it with a purpose in mind. You know, with all his insights and visions and calm wisdom, it's almost like Desmond has become the new Jacob both on and off the Island! But he's not out to save the Island...he's out to save his friends' lives!
I went on an on about the Rebirth Theory in my last post and that could still be true, but the Rewrite Theory is one that believes the characters have a chance to live their lives over again, but it doesn't eliminate the life they already lived. That old life is exactly the way it was, crashing on the island and everything.
But the Rewrite Theory provides a new life on a second plane of existence that is the permanent existence, and the characters have a chance to "make right" some of the mistakes or missed opportunities they had in previous lives. As the authors of their new life, they choose to make different key choices while still retaining the same personality they always had.
So Jack can have a kid. Kate doesn't kill her dad. Sawyer chooses crime fighting over crime. And Ben doesn't raise Alex as a daughter and watch her die. The characters have earned their opportunity for a Rewritten Life because of the redemption they have gone through on the Island. But their old life still actually happened because "whatever happened, happened." Their old life happened, but it's over, so in a sense their old life is dead. Which means they're dead?
Man, for somebody who said he's not going to get caught up in the mythology, I'm sure caught up in it. I'm gonna try to chill and just enjoy these last few episodes without thinking so much! Just keep telling myself it's all about the characters, man, all about the characters.
But then that's exactly why I care about their fate and the mythology as well.
Miles, I really really wish I could tell you if you're on the right track or not but I have to stay quiet! I did think the Whispers answer was kinda silly the way it was delivered to us, which made me appreciate how they didn't hit us over the head with ALL of the answers in the final season. A lot of answers were up to us to deduce with the information provided. Though, the answer to the whispers does lend into some post LOST speculation, which I'll wait to discuss with you after you're done. The thing that annoyed me about the answer was that the whispers always surrounded an arrival of THE OTHERS. So, while we associated it with the others it turned out to be dead spirits stuck on the island. I like the answer, but I didn't get the tie-in with The Others. But maybe post-lost speculation will help a little with that. lol
But yes, this was a great episode at advancing both on island and sideways storylines. I also loved how they changed the titles of previous episodes in this season...like What Kate Did/What Kate Does, Everybody Hates Hugo/Everybody Loves Hugo. Great stuff. And then Sundown was a good one because they were following the season 1 flashback centric episode schedule up until Sundown which SHOULD have been Sun's...but it turned out to be Sayid's centric ep. But naming in Sundown tricked us all! lol
Nice superhero name for Desmond! lol
And really glad you came around on Jack. It was tough not to in this final season. Which is a brilliant testament to what the writers put him through over 6 years. Great character/hero building.
The rest...we'll talk. Just... not...yet! :)
Another great blog and comments... Took me about 2 days but finally read it, so am ready for the next episode tonight in about 8 hours time. Have a nice rest of your weekend!
Thanks Simon! Glad you’re still enjoying the blog. Closer and closer to the end!
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